yes indeed this is tough for PFF to make decisions like this, just that somebody somewhere someone should be responsible for this because matters like this it's the team specially players and coaching staff that suffers. On the brighter side we need stories like this to improved football in the country and at the same time big learning curve to the organizers.
Iloilo is my team win or lose just play the beautiful game.
Does anyone in that organization know what they are doing.My god everyone and his dog knows in a 2 legged game the score stands after 90 minutes. The only time you play extra time is if the score,s are equal after the second leg.
Well yes. Some people in the organizations know what we are doing. Why do you think they tried to correct the problem? Unlike blown calls by refs in the WC. Allow fair play to prevail is the best solution. Accepting that a mistake occurred is good also. Being judgmental that the PFF does not know what we are doing is dumb at best. Show me a dog that can make calls and I'll show you bridge I am selling really cheap. No discussion that the Match com screwed up. No discussion that the PFF could have done a better job. Even the EPL, La Liga and other organizations have problem they are trying to resolve also. Give the PFF a chance guys. Don't jump on them for every mistake that happens.
The statement at the bottom of the media release from the PFF says it all . . . . 100 years of Pinoy football . . . . and they are still getting it wrong. I have said before (on other forums) not only should the Match Commissioner be in hot water for this fiasco but also the respective coaches. The media release says that "there was confusion at the end of the match based on the tournament rules whether the game should the game should go into extra time". Wasn't there a coaches meeting before the game regarding the rules? If there was confusion at the end of the game surely there would have been the same confusion in the coaches meeting. It would have been sorted out then and there and this fiasco would never have happened. In the spirit of fair play it was ultimately decided and agreed that the result of the first leg would stand. This decision has effectively "killed off" the game as a showpiece. The PFF got the rules wrong and they have got this decision wrong. This should have been the decision of the PFF and no-one else. It would have been Iloilo who would have relented and agreed to continue with the 3-1 result. Bacolod was holding the whip hand. That was indicated by the reported comment of their legal advisor posted on twitter. Instead of the PFF making the decision they wimped out. The dog wags the tail. . . and in this case the tail wagged the dog. DOES ANYONE HAVE A COPY OF THE ORIGINAL RULES THAT HAVE CAUSED THIS FIASCO??
I guess this issue is not just between NOFA wanting the title over against IFA. it was clearly stated that "in the ensuing discussion, the tournament officials including the COACHES decreed that the match continue with two fifteen half-minute halves. " For me this is a big opportunity for us to be more aware of the rules & how PFF officiate the game. let's forget about regional-mentality. - kt
Even though its weird situation having an extension in the first leg of a two legged finals, if both parties agreed to have an extension on that first leg, then the score should stand. It is on fair to do that. Bacolod worked their asses to get that result. It's like in in any sport, even if the ref is wrong, the decision is always final.
Sir Ric, Do you have any news about the PFF U19 quarterfinals held in San Carlos City, Neg. Occ. especially the NORFA vs IFA game? We would be happy if u could update us here or in your twitter account. Thanx
what if ilolo win by 1-0 at regulation? will iloilo be the champs or nofa by 3-2 aggregate? the pff ought to explain the possibilities before the start of 2nd leg, should they deliberate again as to what to do after the match? they owe it to the coaching staff of both teams and to us football fans who had followed the suzuki cup since the elims. i know its a steep climb for iloilo, but we need to know the way to get there!!!
what if the score after regulation is 0-0..there would be an extra time? and if iloilo will score 3 goals in extra time? will iloilo be declared the champion with an aggregate score of 4-3??
The Suzuki Cup approaches its final phase, yet I can’t believe that the tournament has reached this stage even with the following facts: 1. There was no clear written tournament rules made by the organizer before the commencement of the competition. 2. Even there was no clear written tournament rules made by the organizer before the commencement of the competition, the teams (applicable especially to the coaches and local FA officers) agreed to play the games. 3. The person who acted as Match Commissioner in the 1st Leg accepted the task even without the full knowledge of the rules he is going to implement. The fiasco that happened is an ultimate result of everyone’s shortcoming (players not included) and should have not occurred if the 3 items above were just corrected. PFF has declared the legality of the application of Extra Time in the 1st Leg, hence, to be fair , they are bound to apply the same in the 2nd Leg. What should be done to save the last Leg? 1. First, everyone should accept their fault, apologize and learn from it so no recurrence will ever happen. 2. Make at once a clear cut rules that will govern the 2nd Leg and the whole 2 legs. But before doing so, please consider the following problem that may arise. Scenario 1- What if Iloilo beat s Bacolod 1-0 or 2-1 in the regulation time? If Iloilo shall lose the championship with this score line, then another problem may arise that will put the conduct of the game into mockery by having Iloilo resorting to this kind of tactic: If Iloilo is leading 1-0 0r 2-1 in the final dying seconds, they will definitely do anything to put the game into overtime by allowing Bacolod to score or shoot the ball to their own goal themselves to equalize the score. From 1-1 or 2-2, they might just score another 2 or 3 goals in the ET and win the Championships. Scenario2 – Bacolod will never play for a draw. They can just opt to lose 0-1 or 1-2 and still claim the trophy. Scoring (specially 1 goal difference only) will not be their priority as it will endanger the chance for a possible draw and ET. Also, if the score is 0-0 or 1-1 in the final dying seconds, Bacolod will just kick the ball to score into their own goal to avoid ET and get the championship. I still believe PFF can remedy the situation and come up with fair and sound rules acceptable to both sides and “for the good of the game”. Mabuhay ang futbol sa Pilipinas!
BACOLOD CITY—Extra time in the first match of a two-leg final should not be played. Citing tournament rules, the Philippine Football Federation yesterday upheld Iloilo’s protest seeking to nullify Ceres-Negros Occidental’s 3-1 extra time win in the first leg of their PFF Suzuki Under-23 National Cup. The 1-1 score at the end of regulation play at the Central Philippine U pitch in Iloilo Thursday will stick, adding extra fire to the already simmering rivalry between the country’s football powerhouses. Instead of a two-goal cushion going into the second leg at the Panaad Stadium at 6 tonight, the Ceres-Negros booters will bring only an “away” advantage after the stalemate. The Negrenses also lost their manpower advantage as the red cards slapped against Iloilo goalkeeper Wilson Muñoz and defender Rhanty Bayquin were also nullified since they were sent off in extra time. Leorey Yanson, who manages the Negros squad with brother Ricky, branded the decision as “unfair.” “Our players worked hard to get these advantages,” said Yanson. “How can we explain this (decision) to them.” Negros coach Norman Fegidero hopes that the decision will motivate the team. “We have to stay focused on our goal, which is to win the championship,” said Fegidero, whose attack line will be led by first leg scorer Aldrin Dolino and the creative Josh Beloya. “We have to improve on our performance from the first leg.” PFF secretary general Ramon Manuel admitted that the officials supervising the first leg erred in sending the game to extra time. “The most important thing is that we uphold the regulations of the game, which prevails over the authority of the officials to extend the game and the agreement of the two teams to play extra time,” said Manuel.WHAT ABOUT THIS?
2 leg series is like a 180 min match divide in 2 and played in 2 venues(home & away). The 1st 90min(1stleg) we can consider as halftime. Why would you let the team play extra time after the first half? Its like asking a basketball team to play extra 5min coz the 2nd quarter end up a tie, before you proceed to the 3rd quarter. Its frustrating to know that people who decided on this are the people who runs our futbol.
First of all there were rules for the championship. I believe at a coaches meeting the rule pertaining to the first leg (6.1) was not discussed but rule 6.2 re the rules for the second leg was discussed. Sort of like getting the cart before the horse. I also believe that the referees were surprised at full time when the discussions took place and did as they were told by the match commissioner. The officials were shown the rules but were not given a copy. Maybe the Xerox machine didnt have any more paper. There were many mistakes made in this championship series that has taken the gloss off what should have been a classic battle between the Philippine football super powers. Sayang.
I guess either you're too dumb to understand the rules. The rules said 18 players. Whether the number is small or not is not the point. The rule is 18. IFA made a mistake by placing 21. And furthermore, you can only add from your own cluster. Not from your pool of talent. If you're team was several men short then I guess that rugged and dirty play didn't work, eh? Furthermore your coach is a cheat and a liar. It was he who wanted to continue the game during the finals match. He gambled and he lost. Then he tried to pin the blame on others. Sore losers.
I'm now confused, first we have this going around Facebook citing that its back to 1-1 . Then it's back to 3-1?
ReplyDeleteyes indeed this is tough for PFF to make decisions like this, just that somebody somewhere someone should be responsible for this because matters like this it's the team specially players and coaching staff that suffers. On the brighter side we need stories like this to improved football in the country and at the same time big learning curve to the organizers.
ReplyDeleteIloilo is my team win or lose just play the beautiful game.
Goodluck boys enjoy!
Does anyone in that organization know what they are doing.My god everyone and his dog knows in a 2 legged game the score stands after 90 minutes. The only time you play extra time is if the score,s are equal after the second leg.
ReplyDeleteWell yes. Some people in the organizations know what we are doing. Why do you think they tried to correct the problem? Unlike blown calls by refs in the WC. Allow fair play to prevail is the best solution. Accepting that a mistake occurred is good also. Being judgmental that the PFF does not know what we are doing is dumb at best. Show me a dog that can make calls and I'll show you bridge I am selling really cheap. No discussion that the Match com screwed up. No discussion that the PFF could have done a better job. Even the EPL, La Liga and other organizations have problem they are trying to resolve also. Give the PFF a chance guys. Don't jump on them for every mistake that happens.
ReplyDeleteThe statement at the bottom of the media release from the PFF says it all . . . . 100 years of Pinoy football . . . . and they are still getting it wrong.
ReplyDeleteI have said before (on other forums) not only should the Match Commissioner be in hot water for this fiasco but also the respective coaches. The media release says that "there was confusion at the end of the match based on the tournament rules whether the game should the game should go into extra time".
Wasn't there a coaches meeting before the game regarding the rules? If there was confusion at the end of the game surely there would have been the same confusion in the coaches meeting. It would have been sorted out then and there and this fiasco would never have happened.
In the spirit of fair play it was ultimately decided and agreed that the result of the first leg would stand. This decision has effectively "killed off" the game as a showpiece.
The PFF got the rules wrong and they have got this decision wrong. This should have been the decision of the PFF and no-one else. It would have been Iloilo who would have relented and agreed to continue with the 3-1 result. Bacolod was holding the whip hand. That was indicated by the reported comment of their legal advisor posted on twitter.
Instead of the PFF making the decision they wimped out. The dog wags the tail. . . and in this case the tail wagged the dog.
DOES ANYONE HAVE A COPY OF THE ORIGINAL RULES THAT HAVE CAUSED THIS FIASCO??
I guess this issue is not just between NOFA wanting the title over against IFA. it was clearly stated that "in the ensuing discussion, the tournament officials including the COACHES decreed that the match continue with two fifteen half-minute halves. " For me this is a big opportunity for us to be more aware of the rules & how PFF officiate the game. let's forget about regional-mentality. - kt
ReplyDeleteEven though its weird situation having an extension in the first leg of a two legged finals, if both parties agreed to have an extension on that first leg, then the score should stand. It is on fair to do that. Bacolod worked their asses to get that result. It's like in in any sport, even if the ref is wrong, the decision is always final.
ReplyDeleteSir Ric, Do you have any news about the PFF U19 quarterfinals held in San Carlos City, Neg. Occ. especially the NORFA vs IFA game? We would be happy if u could update us here or in your twitter account. Thanx
ReplyDeletewhat if ilolo win by 1-0 at regulation?
ReplyDeletewill iloilo be the champs or nofa by 3-2 aggregate?
the pff ought to explain the possibilities before the start of 2nd leg, should they deliberate again as to what to do after the match?
they owe it to the coaching staff of both teams and to us football fans who had followed the suzuki cup since the elims.
i know its a steep climb for iloilo, but we need to know the way to get there!!!
WASWAS ILOILO!!
what if the score after regulation is 0-0..there would be an extra time? and if iloilo will score 3 goals in extra time? will iloilo be declared the champion with an aggregate score of 4-3??
ReplyDeleteThe Suzuki Cup approaches its final phase, yet I can’t believe that the tournament has reached this stage even with the following facts:
ReplyDelete1. There was no clear written tournament rules made by the organizer before the commencement of the competition.
2. Even there was no clear written tournament rules made by the organizer before the commencement of the competition, the teams (applicable especially to the coaches and local FA officers) agreed to play the games.
3. The person who acted as Match Commissioner in the 1st Leg accepted the task even without the full knowledge of the rules he is going to implement.
The fiasco that happened is an ultimate result of everyone’s shortcoming (players not included) and should have not occurred if the 3 items above were just corrected.
PFF has declared the legality of the application of Extra Time in the 1st Leg, hence, to be fair , they are bound to apply the same in the 2nd Leg. What should be done to save the last Leg?
1. First, everyone should accept their fault, apologize and learn from it so no recurrence will ever happen.
2. Make at once a clear cut rules that will govern the 2nd Leg and the whole 2 legs. But before doing so, please consider the following problem that may arise.
Scenario 1- What if Iloilo beat s Bacolod 1-0 or 2-1 in the regulation time? If Iloilo shall lose the championship with this score line, then another problem may arise that will put the conduct of the game into mockery by having Iloilo resorting to this kind of tactic: If Iloilo is leading 1-0 0r 2-1 in the final dying seconds, they will definitely do anything to put the game into overtime by allowing Bacolod to score or shoot the ball to their own goal themselves to equalize the score. From 1-1 or 2-2, they might just score another 2 or 3 goals in the ET and win the Championships.
Scenario2 – Bacolod will never play for a draw. They can just opt to lose 0-1 or 1-2 and still claim the trophy. Scoring (specially 1 goal difference only) will not be their priority as it will endanger the chance for a possible draw and ET. Also, if the score is 0-0 or 1-1 in the final dying seconds, Bacolod will just kick the ball to score into their own goal to avoid ET and get the championship.
I still believe PFF can remedy the situation and come up with fair and sound rules acceptable to both sides and “for the good of the game”. Mabuhay ang futbol sa Pilipinas!
BACOLOD CITY—Extra time in the first match of a two-leg final should not be played.
ReplyDeleteCiting tournament rules, the Philippine Football Federation yesterday upheld Iloilo’s protest seeking to nullify Ceres-Negros Occidental’s 3-1 extra time win in the first leg of their PFF Suzuki Under-23 National Cup.
The 1-1 score at the end of regulation play at the Central Philippine U pitch in Iloilo Thursday will stick, adding extra fire to the already simmering rivalry between the country’s football powerhouses.
Instead of a two-goal cushion going into the second leg at the Panaad Stadium at 6 tonight, the Ceres-Negros booters will bring only an “away” advantage after the stalemate.
The Negrenses also lost their manpower advantage as the red cards slapped against Iloilo goalkeeper Wilson Muñoz and defender Rhanty Bayquin were also nullified since they were sent off in extra time.
Leorey Yanson, who manages the Negros squad with brother Ricky, branded the decision as “unfair.”
“Our players worked hard to get these advantages,” said Yanson. “How can we explain this (decision) to them.”
Negros coach Norman Fegidero hopes that the decision will motivate the team.
“We have to stay focused on our goal, which is to win the championship,” said Fegidero, whose attack line will be led by first leg scorer Aldrin Dolino and the creative Josh Beloya. “We have to improve on our performance from the first leg.”
PFF secretary general Ramon Manuel admitted that the officials supervising the first leg erred in sending the game to extra time.
“The most important thing is that we uphold the regulations of the game, which prevails over the authority of the officials to extend the game and the agreement of the two teams to play extra time,” said Manuel.WHAT ABOUT THIS?
2 leg series is like a 180 min match divide in 2 and played in 2 venues(home & away). The 1st 90min(1stleg) we can consider as halftime. Why would you let the team play extra time after the first half? Its like asking a basketball team to play extra 5min coz the 2nd quarter end up a tie, before you proceed to the 3rd quarter. Its frustrating to know that people who decided on this are the people who runs our futbol.
ReplyDeleteFirst of all there were rules for the championship. I believe at a coaches meeting the rule pertaining to the first leg (6.1) was not discussed but rule 6.2 re the rules for the second leg was discussed. Sort of like getting the cart before the horse.
ReplyDeleteI also believe that the referees were surprised at full time when the discussions took place and did as they were told by the match commissioner. The officials were shown the rules but were not given a copy. Maybe the Xerox machine didnt have any more paper.
There were many mistakes made in this championship series that has taken the gloss off what should have been a classic battle between the Philippine football super powers. Sayang.
I guess either you're too dumb to understand the rules. The rules said 18 players. Whether the number is small or not is not the point. The rule is 18. IFA made a mistake by placing 21. And furthermore, you can only add from your own cluster. Not from your pool of talent. If you're team was several men short then I guess that rugged and dirty play didn't work, eh? Furthermore your coach is a cheat and a liar. It was he who wanted to continue the game during the finals match. He gambled and he lost. Then he tried to pin the blame on others. Sore losers.
ReplyDeletedone deal! game over we accept defeat... see you next year
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